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Firestorm Frequently Asked Questions

In the grand tradition of the Internet, we will attempt to answer questions on this page. "Frequently" will mean "at least once." Feel free to get your questions to us however you choose, and as answers appear on this page, we will do our best to notify you.

In a break with tradition, we intend to allow you to ask questions here as well as come here for answers. This will, of course, be implemented using Firestorm, as time permits. Thanks to Brian Hancock for the first seven questions. And to Bill Reilly for 8 and 9.

Question 1. "the compile lines in the page, make reference to the pba.o object file , for example:

  gcc -o fs-xxxxx pba.o ../dp.o ../map.o ../dpif.o ../engine.o ../dot.o

however the Makefile does not create a pba.o so I changed reference to the pba.o to the pba.c generated from the Metad app, and everything worked smoothly. Was that a typo or did I miss the creation of the pba object file?"

Answer 1. the only Makefile we've distributed so far is the one for the Firestorm code itself. Here is what we usually do. As suggested elsewhere, we create one subdirectory of the fs directory for each database (using the five character abbreviation as the directory name). In this subdirectory, we place a Makefile specific to the database, such as, for example, this Makefile from the demo database.

The first two lines of the Makefile (repeated here for your convenience) define ENGINE_OBJS to be a list of object files, and FS_OBJS to be a slightly longer list containing the former.

  ENGINE_OBJS = pba.o ../dpif.o ../engine.o ../dot.o
  FS_OBJS     = ${ENGINE_OBJS} ../fsMain.o ../fsCore.o

You'll notice that pba.o is expected to be in the current directory (the one the Makefile is in, i.e. "fs/demo"), while the other object files are in the parent directory (i.e. "fs"), and have been previously made using its Makefile.

Your solution also makes the pba.o file, because the gcc command is able to recognize (by the ".c" file extension) that the pba.c file needs compiling.

While in the "fs/demo" directory, with this Makefile in place, issuing the command

  make fs-demo
will construct the command line interface program (named "fs-demo") for the demo database. And the command
  make demo
will construct all of the demo*.cgi programs.

Question 2. "The command line interface seems to have a richer set of methods than the programatic interface, eg, add, edit, update and delete. Does the programmatic interface have these?"

Answer 2. Yes. These will be documented soon. In the meantime, see the demonstration example programs for some of them.

Question 3. "All the CGI examples are in C, using the programmatic interface (PI) rather than in Perl using the command line interface (CLI)? Is there a reason for this? Does anyone have any Perl scripts that they could share to help the learning?"

Answer 3. There's always a reason ;-). Historically, we worked with Perl before working with C. This was five years ago, when we had the competent help of Thom Boyer, who prefers using Perl. Most of the work in the last three and a half years has been done in C.

Rather than supplying any specific Perl scripts, try adding the report which we used to generate Perl scripts to your METAD database. You will need to create a record in panel 6 of METAD to describe the environment in which these Perl scripts will be executed. The generated scripts require, which is a Perl CGI library written by Thom. A more detailed explanation of all of this will be forthcoming.

In working with the CGI scripts in general, the Perl script is a wonderful help in understanding the Common Gateway Interface (CGI). Install it in a directory from which your web server will execute Perl scripts and try using it with various URL's and HTML forms to see what kind of information is passed from the browser to CGI scripts. You can also use it directly on our web server.

Question 4. "When using the CLI for add, edit, update, delete are the locking mechanisms that we would be used to in DP still observed?"

Answer 4. Yes. In particular, error codes are returned to indicate some of the things that can happen in connection with the locking mechanisms of DP. For example, code 802 means the record was changed by another user on the network. One of the beauties of using Firestorm with DP databases is that web applications can share the same database files with users of the classic DataPerfect.

Question 5. "The FS-xxxx application on a Linux system seems to expects the xxxx.str, xxxx.ind, data etc to be within the same directory, on the same system. Given that applications I would like to web enable would generally be sitting on a Netware server for multiple LAN connected PC users, what strategies if any could be employed to make that data available to the FS-xxxx application running on the Linux box."

Answer 5. There are two separate questions. See also the answer to question 7, which is related. The pba.c file indicates the names of the datafiles. The .str file is not used by Firestorm, but the .ind, .txx, and panel data files are. Theoretically, you could put a path name in front of the filenames in the pba.c file and Firestorm would look for them there. We have never done this, but it should work. The only complication is for the panel data files. Consider these lines from the demo pba.c file (which give, respectively, the filenames "demo.001", "demo.ind", and "demo.txx"):

  8, 'd', 'e', 'm', 'o', '.', '0', '0', '1',
  char *ind_name = "demo.ind";
  char *txx_name = "demo.txx";
While it is fairly obvious how to add a path name, for the .ind and .txx files, the panel data filenames are given character by character, and the characters are preceded by the total length of the filename. For example, if the database files were in the path "/dp/", these lines from the demo pba.c file might be changed to look like:
  12, '/', 'd', 'p', '/', 'd', 'e', 'm', 'o', '.', '0', '0', '1',
  char *ind_name = "/dp/demo.ind";
  char *txx_name = "/dp/demo.txx";
You must be very careful to get the length right, or the engine will fail in mysterious and unpredictable ways. Ensuring that the pba.c file is correct is the main reason we generate it using a DP report, rather than trying to build it by hand. It may be worth modifying the report rather than making these changes by hand.

After making this change, of course, the pba.c file will need to be recompiled, and any executables including it relinked. If someone tries this, please let us all know how it works.

Question 6. "What security do the PI and CLI interface offer? I would normally use User ID's and menu's to provide some security for the application? The possibility of some web users deleting or updating data from the application is a little frightening? Eg malformed information requests?"

Answer 6. There are no security mechanisms built in to these interfaces. We intend to document some of the things we have done in this regard, but this has not been a priority.

The User ID panel and menus are just two of the features of DataPerfect that are not present in the Firestorm engine. Others that you will miss are computed fields and keep-a-total. We are hoping that Firestorm will generate enough interest and revenue to fund the development of a more powerful engine that would encompass many more features of DataPerfect.

The danger you indicate is very real. Great care must be taken in writing CGI scripts that modify or delete (or even create) records, so that (unintentional or malicious) malformed requests cannot cause damage. Mostly, our scripts do not allow changes to the underlying database. A notable exception to this is our guest book, and there we have found that we need to exercise editorial control by removing offensive entries.

Question 7. "The sort of scenario I have in mind: Web pages sitting on a high availability, large bandwidth server at a web host. This web host supporting CGI, generally through Perl. One aspect of the web site being say client orders, or requests for information from a DP application running on a Netware or NT server at my client's premises, connected fulltime to the internet through a lower speed internet connection, eg permanent dial up, with a firewall of some type. Is this a realistic project for Firestorm?"

Answer 7. This may or may not be realistic. Some of our applications duplicate the client's database on our web server. In this case updates are done periodically, and the work can range from completely overwriting the old files with new ones to importing a transaction log. Other applications are hosted by a web server running on the same NT machine that contains the database for use through the LAN with the classic DataPerfect user interface.

Both of these scenarios have worked well over the years. What you are suggesting is different and has not been attempted. A little background is in order here. Most commercial database mangement systems use a client/server architecture.

It is a little known fact that DataPerfect is also client/server. Let me explain. A few years ago, when WordPerfect Office released their web-based email solution, they called it a "zero byte client." This was because they had discovered the marvel of programming for the web, which is that you don't have to write any client software to the baroque Windows interface. Also, because the client is provided for you (it is simply the web browser) you don't have to worry about porting your client software to other platforms, such as the Macintosh, etc. Again, this is provided by others. Also, your users don't have to install your client software, because they have already done so.

DataPerfect has a "zero byte server" which is, simply, the shared file system. This is provided by others, the file server vendors. All that ships with DataPerfect is the client side. Your users have already installed the server side, and furthermore, often have IS departments to care for it, besides! This is an unsung part of the genius of DataPerfect. If you have ever had to install and manage the server side of a commercial database system, you will know just how brilliant this is and what a debt of gratitude we all owe to Lew for making our lives easier and more pleasant!

Whenever a piece of software uses the client/server architecture, you have to pay careful attention to the data communication between the client side and the server side. When using the classic DataPerfect, we don't have to worry about it, because everything works fine (as long as there are no bugs in the file system itself).

With Firestorm, even though the engine is running on a web server, it is playing the same "client" role that DataPerfect plays classically. For this to work properly, the engine and the file server that holds the database files must communicate using the standard LAN file server protocols. These are not standard Internet protocols.

To my knowledge there are two Internet protocols that can carry the data required between a DataPerfect client and a file server. These are NFS (the Network File System), and Samba. If you set up a Samba server on your customer's machine, you should, theoretically, be able to not only run Firestorm applications on your web server, but also DataPerfect itself (assuming your web server can run DataPerfect--if only DP were available for Linux--oh well). However, you make a point that the customer connection to the Internet would be slow. Even though DataPerfect (and hence Firestorm) is very efficient in the traffic it generates with the file system, this traffic is still considerable, and when wrapped in NFS would perhaps be more than a slow connection could handle. Perhaps Samba is more efficient. We investigated NFS at one time, but have not looked into Samba.

Question 8. "I downloaded a free compiler from the following address:
The program expects you to work in terms of 'projects' and I don't know if your source files should be considered one or more projects. I also don't know what the '.h' files are or what to do with them.

What I'm saying here is that I don't know how to compile the source code. And now that I've been thinking about it, I'm wondering why I need to at all. Couldn't you just send the executables?"

Answer 8. You would use a project for each of your databases. Each project would share the Firestorm files. The .h files are definition files that are required by the source code files (the .c ones). Place them in the same directory with the .c files.

We can't just send the executables for two reasons. First, we would have to make a lot of different ones, as each system has different executable formats and system libraries, so it's quite a big operation. Second, we haven't compiled it on a Windows system for a long time, so we don't have an up to date executable at hand. Besides all that, an executable has to include the PBA for your database as an integral part of it.

In the METAD database, you will need to run the three reports in order after having imported the .{X} file produced by METADXP.COM. This will create a file named PBA.C in the subdirectory for your database. In the project for your database, you would then include the PBA.C file as one of the project files.

Your compiler will produce a .OBJ file for each of the .c files. All of these will be combined into one .EXE file, which is the executable. If your database is named, say, PHONE.STR, you would have a project named phone, and include in it dot.c, engine.c, dpif.c, map.c, and dp.c, as well as all of the .h files except fs.h. These files would all be included from the fs directory, whereas your project files would be in a subdirectory of fs named phone. From the phone subdirectory, you would include the pba.c file generated by METAD. To do that, you will have been working in a directory named metad with its own subdirectory named phone. So, once the pba.c file is generated there, you'll need to copy it over to the compiler's fs\phone subdirectory. Then have the project make the executable, and name it fs-phone.exe (still following the standard Firestorm naming conventions). This will be an executable command line interface program.

When you go to make a CGI script, it will most likely need its own project (make it a sub-project of the phone project if your compiler has the concept of sub projects). In this project, include all of the fs files you included in the phone project (except you must leave out map.c and dp.c), and also fs.h, fsCore.c, and fsMain.c. Also, the pba.c file from the phone project. This time you shouldn't need to copy it, but just have your compiler reach for it where it is located in fs\phone. Here also, you will include the source file for your CGI script, named, say, phone-action.c. When you do a build (sometimes called make) of this project, it will generate an executable which you should have it name phone-action.exe and is the CGI script for your web server to use.

Question 9. "I'm also confused about the 5 character limit. What is happening there?"

Answer 9. This began long ago with a personal convention used by one of us, in which DP databases are named with a 5 character name. Then the panel data files are named with the same name dot 001, 002, etc. This leaves "room" in the DOS 8.3 naming system for names like DNAME001.EXP for files created by the built-in short reports whenever a field needs to be added to panel 001, etc. This convention was adopted because when you make a lot of DP databases, and they go through a lot of iterations before they are finalized, it is an easy way to remember all the file names that are needed. Now, we don't mean to impose this convention on the whole community, but the 5 character limit just got built in to a lot of assumptions as the Firestorm project unfolded. We're stuck with it for now. It shouldn't be too much of a constraint. You don't need to rename your own .STR files, just decide on a 5 character abbreviation and use that inside of METAD and as subdirectory names. And CGI scripts can have names as long as you want. By convention, we choose to have them all begin with the 5 character database name, so that we can keep track of them. But that is not a requirement for anyone else.

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